Comments on: The Default/Flinch Response http://www.hertao.com/blog/defaultflinch-response/ Self Defense and MMA Techniques, Training Methods, and More Thu, 18 Aug 2011 21:15:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: admin http://www.hertao.com/blog/defaultflinch-response/#comment-1398 admin Tue, 07 Sep 2010 19:23:34 +0000 http://www.hertao.com/blog/?p=293#comment-1398 Thanks Adam! Glad you like it. Thanks Adam! Glad you like it.

]]> By: Adam http://www.hertao.com/blog/defaultflinch-response/#comment-1397 Adam Tue, 07 Sep 2010 19:16:46 +0000 http://www.hertao.com/blog/?p=293#comment-1397 Great stuff. Am a big fan of Tony's stuff. If I lived in the US I would seek him out for training for sure. Any training regime that does not utilise the bodies natural phyisiological reactions to a violent attack is really a case of malpractise as that information is out there in the public domain nowadays. Perhaps some instructors are concerned about losing students?? Love your blog too. Only found it today :) Great stuff. Am a big fan of Tony’s stuff. If I lived in the US I would seek him out for training for sure. Any training regime that does not utilise the bodies natural phyisiological reactions to a violent attack is really a case of malpractise as that information is out there in the public domain nowadays. Perhaps some instructors are concerned about losing students??

Love your blog too. Only found it today :)

]]> By: admin http://www.hertao.com/blog/defaultflinch-response/#comment-1396 admin Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:23:50 +0000 http://www.hertao.com/blog/?p=293#comment-1396 Thanks Brett. Over the years, training various systems, I've also been able to do what you describe with students. But as you mentioned, speed, uncertainty, and the violence of a real attack are VERY different than asking a student to attack and responding to that in a classroom setting. If you take a look at what I call the <a href="http://www.hertao.com/selfdefense/crash" rel="nofollow">crash</a>, I think you'll find that you can train that with full power, as long as you don't do the follow ups all out. Although I don't teach it as a default response, I also find the low jab (<a href="http://www.hertao.com/selfdefense/low-jab-intercept" rel="nofollow">as shown here</a>) works extremely well as an opening technique against the majority of high line attacks...as does a sidekick/stop kick to the knee, etc. So I think there are a number (not huge) of decent options for default responses. Each person just needs to try a few and pick the one they like most based on their skill, size, and temperament. Thanks Brett. Over the years, training various systems, I’ve also been able to do what you describe with students. But as you mentioned, speed, uncertainty, and the violence of a real attack are VERY different than asking a student to attack and responding to that in a classroom setting.

If you take a look at what I call the crash, I think you’ll find that you can train that with full power, as long as you don’t do the follow ups all out. Although I don’t teach it as a default response, I also find the low jab (as shown here) works extremely well as an opening technique against the majority of high line attacks…as does a sidekick/stop kick to the knee, etc. So I think there are a number (not huge) of decent options for default responses. Each person just needs to try a few and pick the one they like most based on their skill, size, and temperament.

]]> By: Brett http://www.hertao.com/blog/defaultflinch-response/#comment-1395 Brett Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:15:11 +0000 http://www.hertao.com/blog/?p=293#comment-1395 I've been training chinese kung fu for 20 years now. I literally have hundreds of moves and applications for any number of potential attacks. Whenever I demonstrate to my students, I often find myself responding differently each time to the same stimuli, as many as five times in a row. This is fine theoretically, and works because 1.) my students are a lot slower than I am, and 2.) the level of violence in a class is minimal. As the speed, uncertainty and violence of an attack increases though, it becomes more difficult to gauge the attack accurately and respond with a specific technique - unlike the choreographed scenes in the movie, you just don't know what's coming, and the consequences of failure can be very serious. As a result, I've found that a few large movements, which utilise the body's natural flinch mechanism seem to work quite well in a large number of scenarios. Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to practise these with any real level of violence. Your experience and skills support what I've been doing. I add my support to the concept. I’ve been training chinese kung fu for 20 years now. I literally have hundreds of moves and applications for any number of potential attacks. Whenever I demonstrate to my students, I often find myself responding differently each time to the same stimuli, as many as five times in a row.
This is fine theoretically, and works because 1.) my students are a lot slower than I am, and 2.) the level of violence in a class is minimal.
As the speed, uncertainty and violence of an attack increases though, it becomes more difficult to gauge the attack accurately and respond with a specific technique – unlike the choreographed scenes in the movie, you just don’t know what’s coming, and the consequences of failure can be very serious.
As a result, I’ve found that a few large movements, which utilise the body’s natural flinch mechanism seem to work quite well in a large number of scenarios. Unfortunately, it’s almost impossible to practise these with any real level of violence. Your experience and skills support what I’ve been doing. I add my support to the concept.

]]> By: admin http://www.hertao.com/blog/defaultflinch-response/#comment-1394 admin Mon, 31 May 2010 13:47:03 +0000 http://www.hertao.com/blog/?p=293#comment-1394 Thanks Mike! Thanks Mike!

]]> By: Mike Massie http://www.hertao.com/blog/defaultflinch-response/#comment-1393 Mike Massie Mon, 31 May 2010 13:24:50 +0000 http://www.hertao.com/blog/?p=293#comment-1393 The video had been removed, but I completely agree with your assertion that having a simple, gross-motor-movement-based reactive "bridge" technique that reliably gets you into the fight is a must. Most martial arts systems teach self defense techniques that give the student way too many choices... and are often geared to ritualized combat, not self defense. And your assertion about awareness first in the follow up post was right on target (no pun intended). Good stuff. The video had been removed, but I completely agree with your assertion that having a simple, gross-motor-movement-based reactive “bridge” technique that reliably gets you into the fight is a must.

Most martial arts systems teach self defense techniques that give the student way too many choices… and are often geared to ritualized combat, not self defense.

And your assertion about awareness first in the follow up post was right on target (no pun intended). Good stuff.

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